Philosophy Thread: What?



  • edited December 2018
    i agree. it's a collection of work and a bevy of rarified metaphors from many
    Edith stein, Carl Rogers - their work is an important lense of empathy and hidden emotions, respectively.
  • Yeah that's a good way to put it, phenomenology as a field without the further specification of a particular thinker or work is ultimately just a set of vocabulary: facticity, in-itself, for-itself, primordiality, thetic, nonthetic, ontoic, ontological...
  • One day I'm gonna write a book called phenomenology of rap music mark my fucking words
  • post it and I'll read it
  • u guys ever read hegel lol
  • naw but i youtubed 'half hour hegel' once and remember being content with hearing a man talk about hegel for 2 hrs. i don't remember anything abt it anymore.
  • edited February 4
    yea im like 50 pages into phenomenology of Spirit now Hegel is like a car manual
  • yea - i read him by reading the intro and forward, then jump around like a refernece book. many writers need not be read front to back but rather chapter to chapter, moment to moment.
  • tbh i consider writing like that to be bad writing. like, he's a brilliant man who came up with some brilliant ideas, but he delivered those ideas in a very convoluted and needlessly dense fashion such that it's taken academics centuries to unpack those valuable ideas. i love reading philosophy that both contains innovative, well-argued ideas and presents those ideas in a clear, digestible manner.

    sort of related to those super brilliant professors who suck at teaching because they're poor communicators, unable to put themselves in the shoes of someone less knowledgable/adept than them. i guess hegel might have been this kind of person, so deep in his philosophy that the density and abstruseness felt natural/clear to him. shame that it's so inaccessible, though
  • sort of related to those super brilliant professors, but the ones proficient at teaching because they're great communicators, :D I had this one prof. in college who extensively taught the philosophy of close reading through poetry and the oxford english dictionary [OED online]

    he'd put his thumb on your forehead when you said something brilliant and well-learned and gave you a metaphysical star. I had hardly ever wanted something more till then.
    i got one.
  • edited February 7
    @demikat nice! Those “gold star” rewards can feel so gratifying to receive from a teacher you like or respect.

    That reminds me of an honors English teacher I had who had me read a short story I wrote in front of the class. I was really into fantasy books in my high school years. I had just started reading the Song of Ice and Fire books (this teacher had introduced them to us at the start of class one day, which now shocks me that those books were in the school library), so I was trying to imitate Martin’s style of grim-dark fantasy-realism. I don’t remember much about the story except that it ended with a group of fire worshipping assassins placing magical explosives at a man’s house. In this world there was some magical fuse device they would use to remotely detonate explosives, and so they did just that. A drunk man stumbles out of his home, swears at the bright light because he thinks it’s the sun giving him a pounding headache. The story ends as he begins to realize that he’s looking at the light of the fire of the explosion in the distance.

    When I finished reading it, my teacher made a little comment like “You see how he writes?”. That made me want to write more, even if that is a little narcissistic.
  • nothing in me thinks that's narcissistic - sounds like a good scene and a great compliment.
  • i like the way it burns
  • Apparently he was a really popular teacher too, I think it was mostly just the academic climate at the time to write that way
  • edited February 7
    would have been nice if he did a less exhaustive version for the public like kant did for his shit tho
  • now kant, now that is some bad writing
  • edited February 7
    i have a soft spot for the interpretation that hegels language is so awkward because his idea was so unprecedented and he himself wasn't fully aware of the scope of what he was doing what I def mostly just like that interpretation because it almost sounds like some science fiction shit
  • edited February 10
    i have also watched "cuck philosophy"

    Philosophy tube did a video on this as well
    but i feel like we already talked about this - or i've already watched a lot of this at one point. and i'm really just trying to participate. cuz cuz cuz cuz
  • yeah i love cuck philosophy, his book reviews are internet leftist pornography
  • edited February 10
    Idk how many people he’s reaching that don’t already share his sympathies, but it seems like he’s doing a lot to bust some of the major bullshit about leftist thought that’s been floating recently and I appreciate how un-theatrical his approach is, as opposed to philosophy tube for example (Not that theres literally anything wrong with that style, I just don’t like it).
  • idk whats up with the voice in this one, but its another really though provoking piece imo

  • edited February 10
    i like cuck philosophy as well, although i've more recently gotten into his stuff. i appreciate that his perspective is a bit different than a lot of breadtube

    i'm curious when you say "bust some of the major bullshit about leftist thought that’s been floating recently", what are some more examples?
  • good question :-?
  • the Jordan Peterson/Joe Rogan misrepresentations of french theory, the typical right wing equation of Marxism = Stalinism, the whole idea of leftism just being extreme liberalism and in turn liberalism just being light marxism
  • Marx as a philosopher of communism, Focault as progenitor of the social justice movement
  • edited February 11
    He’s also notable for covering Deleuze who’s super important in academia but seems to never get brought up while discussing {postmodernism} online despite his central significance to the scene
    He’s like wayyy more significant than Lyotard but eveyone and their grandma knows “Postmodernism is blah blah metanarratives” but most people havnt even heard of a book by deleuze if theyve heard of him at all
  • deleuze would be v good at writing for loops
  • I understand half of that joke
  • please explain - i didn't get it =/
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